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@ -46,7 +46,7 @@ Most important is to make sure androgen levels are sufficiently lowered. Here is
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You would be much better off reading a better guide, such as this [Practical Guide to Feminization](https://pghrt.diy/){.source-link} or more detailed specialised websites, guides, including sourcing:
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- [https://hrtcafe.net/](https://hrtcafe.net/)
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- [https://diyhrt.market/](https://diyhrt.market/)
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- [https://diyhrt.info/](https://diyhrt.info/)
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- [https://diyhrt.wiki/](https://diyhrt.wiki/)
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- [https://transfemscience.org/](https://transfemscience.org/)
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@ -397,7 +397,7 @@ On vibes I do not reccomend this unless you really want it. You may be able to a
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If wanting to surgically alter underbust, you can do a Costal cartilage reduction / rib osteotomies. Procedures like Ravitch Procedure were mostly invented for people with pectus excavatum (concave chest), and are quite rare to do for cosmetic reasons, and likely quite expensive.
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There is [some discussion of this on reddit](https://old.reddit.com/r/4tran4/comments/1ovhl9b/this_surgery_for_pectus_excavatum_could_possibly/){.source-link} but it's quite uncommon. The only person who seems to do it is Dr Leif Rogers.
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There is [some discussion of this on reddit](https://old.reddit.com/r/4tran4/comments/1ovhl9b/this_surgery_for_pectus_excavatum_could_possibly/){.source-link} but it's quite uncommon. The only person who seems to do it is Dr Leif Rogers. For reshaping middle ribs you can also go to Dr Raul Manzaneda in Perú.
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### Shoulders
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Here is a non-exhaustive list of surgeons that are talked about sometimes. My research in this area is relatively non-exhastative so DYOR and maybe update this.
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#### Surgery order
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Before getting FFS, some surgeons reccomend extracting any wisdom teeth (see: [DB article on this](https://deschamps-braly.com/jaw-contouring-ffs-and-wisdom-teeth/){.source-link}), as should you have complications when older (typically in 30s) this could affect results after removal.
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If getting a tracheal shave, it can sometimes affect ability to get [VFS](#vocal-feminisation-surgery-vfs) in the future. It is worth discussing with both FFS and VFS surgeons about this.
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#### FFS Surgeons
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Some famous ones are DB, Keojampa, Mardirossian, Harrison Lee. See [reddit discussion on their styles](https://old.reddit.com/r/Transgender_Surgeries/comments/1c6dw4j/comment/l018xdj/){.source-link}. In Europe, QQ seems to be the current meta, some are happy with FT but doesn't seem worth the cost. There are others also I guess. I probably should write a better list some time.
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#### Stop and Go method
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Some people have considered stopping estrogen temporarily, then restarting is, as a method to try to "reduce estrogen sensitivity".
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Some people have considered stopping estrogen temporarily, then restarting is, as a method to try to "recalibrate estrogen sensitivity".
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This person tried it and it seemed to work for them:
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- [VoiceTools iOS](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/voice-tools/id1447495900)
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### Vocal Feminisation Surgery
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### Vocal Feminisation Surgery (VFS)
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If wanting permanent results with less voice training, surgery is an option. Note that recovery can be quite difficult (eg: not speaking for 2 weeks - 2 months) and in general one retains more optionality/pitch if one trains.
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In addition, one will sitll be required to do some amount of voice training even if you get surgery, otherwise your voice will sound somewhat unnatrual.
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In addition, one will still be required to do some amount of voice training even if you get surgery, otherwise your voice will sound somewhat unnatrual.
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From Reddit, it seems like [Yeson Voice Center](https://us.yesonvc.com/page/2_4_1.php) in South Korea is the best place to get it done.
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From people online, it seems like [Yeson Voice Center](https://us.yesonvc.com/page/2_4_1.php) in South Korea is the best place to get it done.
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Here is an overview of some of the main methods.
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