costal cartilage reduction / underbust stuff

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 ## How should I start?
 
-In general, if you are new, the order I would reccomend is approximately:
+In general, if you are new, the order I would recommend is approximately:
 
 1. Start trying to do [gamete storage](#gamete-storage) (optional)
 2. Start [permanent hair removal](#body-hair)
@@ -23,6 +23,11 @@ The only important part is that you do gamete storage before starting HRT (thoug
 
 Many of the things discussed here are precisely those that are more marginal and have not yet been compiled online, so keep this in mind when reading.
 
+#### Updating this website
+
+if you have suggestions, you can make a pull request on [https://git.wikiofdark.art/jorts/wiki](https://git.wikiofdark.art/jorts/wiki)
+
+
 ## Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT)
 
 There is plenty of info on E and AAs and the like online. Info can be added here, but I am interested in more niche things here at the moment.
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 #### Gamete storage
 
 You will probably lose fertility if you start HRT. If you potentially want to have kids, you should probably do gamete storage prior to starting. (If starting old enough, it is usually possible to regain fertility by temporarily stopping hrt for 3-6months but sometimes it takes longer). 
+Alternatively, you can sometimes preserve fertility if doing bicalutamide mono-therapy (results unclear).
 
 You can read some [vague notes here](/sources/_gamete_storage.html){.source-link} if going down this path.
 If you are doing gamete storage, you may be able to get some limited feminizing effects before storage (see [some ideas from ChatGPT](/sources/chatgpt_no_hrt.html){.source-link}), or doing [Waist training](#waist-training) or similar, but generally most results come from HRT.
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 In the down cycle, the aim is to have a caloric deficit, and hopefully pull more fat from "undesired places" rather than from relatively desireable places.
 
-### Maintining a caloric deficit
+### Maintaining a caloric deficit
 
 Depending on the person, it may be difficult to keep a caloric deficit. There are some things that can help with this:
 
 
-### Maintining a Caloric Deficit
+### Maintaining a Caloric Deficit
 
 #### Caloric Deficit through Diets
 
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 Here are some guides:
 
-- [Coparision of sources of GLP Drugs](https://www.finnrick.com/)
+- [Comparison of sources of GLP Drugs](https://www.finnrick.com/)
 - [Long post discussing GLP Drugs](https://www.cremieux.xyz/p/how-to-get-cheap-ozempic){.source-link}
 - [Sleep, Diet, Exercise and GLP-1 Drugs](https://thezvi.substack.com/p/sleep-diet-exercise-and-glp-1-drugs){.source-link}
 
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 #### Corset diet. 
 
-Wearing a corset can also reduce appetite. You can do this in addition to [Waist Training](#waist-training) to also further reduce wasit-to-hip ratio in the mean time. See section that for more info.
+Wearing a corset can also reduce appetite. You can do this in addition to [Waist Training](#waist-training) to also further reduce waist-to-hip ratio in the mean time. See section that for more info.
 
 ### Down cyle - Burning the right fat
 
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 Exercise can reduces waist circumference independent of body-weight change—i.e., you can gain/maintain weight from lean mass while the waist still shrinks (android fat/visceral fat falls).
 
-There are many different influencers who will tell you their own routine. For the most part, do what is easy. I personally reccomend to go to the gym maybe 2x per week, and focus on doing 3 sets of 8-12 reps of up to 2-3 main exercises. This should be sufficient for significant improvement while not taking too much time.
+There are many different influencers who will tell you their own routine. For the most part, do what is easy. I personally recommend to go to the gym maybe 2x per week, and focus on doing 3 sets of 8-12 reps of up to 2-3 main exercises. This should be sufficient for significant improvement while not taking too much time.
 
 For larger glutes, hip thrust or squats work pretty well. I also like to throw in romanian trap-bar deadlift as it catches most muscles and progress is very visible. It doesn't matter too much, ask your favourite LLM for a simple routine and just follow it for 3 months.
 
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 #### Dangerous Darth Method
-This is a subtype of "waist training".
+This is a subtype of "waist training" but for underbust.
 
 This method, labelled dangerous, by darth, involves following practices that are actively reccomended against in the FtM community when binding. may cause pain, costochondritis, cracked or fractured ribs, reduced lung capacity, lung or kidney damage from floating ribs etc. 
 
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 #### Rib removal surgery
 
-I generally do not reccomend this unless you really want it. You may be able to achieve a better shape, but your ribs exist to protect your vital organs, and removing them stops them from being able to do so. You also are likely to get significant scars on your torso. The shape you get is probably better than you would get from waist narrowing surgery.
+On vibes I do not reccomend this unless you really want it. You may be able to achieve a better shape, but your ribs exist to protect your vital organs, and removing them stops them from being able to do so. You also are likely to get significant scars on your torso. The shape you get is probably better than you would get from waist narrowing surgery.
 
-#### 
+#### Costal cartilage reduction
+
+If wanting to surgically alter underbust, you can do a Costal cartilage reduction / rib osteotomies. Procedures like Ravitch Procedure were mostly invented for people with pectus excavatum (concave chest), and are quite rare to do for cosmetic reasons, and likely quite expensive.
+
+There is [some discussion of this on reddit](https://old.reddit.com/r/4tran4/comments/1ovhl9b/this_surgery_for_pectus_excavatum_could_possibly/){.source-link} but it's quite uncommon. The only person who seems to do it is Dr Leif Rogers.
 
 ### Shoulders
 
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 FFS can get quite expensive quite quickly, and there are some surgeons more reputable than others, but no obvious picks. It is difficult to find surgeons who are well known to be good, have reasonable waiting times, and have reasonably prices. One must trade off on some of these. It can also be difficult to compare, as it is much more custom for different people.
 
+Here is a non-exhaustive list of surgeons that are talked about sometimes. My research in this area is relatively non-exhastative so DYOR and maybe update this.
 
+#### FFS Surgeons
+
+Some famous ones are DB, Keojampa, Mardirossian, Harrison Lee. See [reddit discussion on their styles](https://old.reddit.com/r/Transgender_Surgeries/comments/1c6dw4j/comment/l018xdj/){.source-link}. In Europe, QQ seems to be the current meta, some are happy with FT but doesn't seem worth the cost. There are others also I guess. I probably should write a better list some time. 
 
 ## Body Hair
 
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 >
 > if your goal is to maximize the ductal scaffold before layering alveolar fullness, wait for budding, then consider progesterone, understanding that its volumetric benefit is unproven and may be subtle or person‑specific
 
-#### Other
+### Breast Augmentation
+
+If not getting good results naturally, or not quickly enough, it is possible to get do various kinds of breast augmentation (BA) surgery.
+
+todo: write more here
 
 ## Voice
 
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 In addition, one will sitll be required to do some amount of voice training even if you get surgery, otherwise your voice will sound somewhat unnatrual.
 
-From Reddit, it seems like Yeson Voice Center in South Korea is the best place to get it done.
+From Reddit, it seems like [Yeson Voice Center](https://us.yesonvc.com/page/2_4_1.php) in South Korea is the best place to get it done.
 
 Here is an overview of some of the main methods.
 
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 ## Contributing
 
-To contibute, make an issue on git: [https://git.wikiofdark.art/](https://git.wikiofdark.art/)
+To contibute, make an issue on git: [https://git.wikiofdark.art/jorts/wiki](https://git.wikiofdark.art/jorts/wiki)

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+<h1>This surgery for pectus excavatum could possibly reduce ur upper ribcage🥴</h1>
+<p><strong>r/4tran4</strong> • by u/Warm-Adeptness4174 • 134 points</p>
+<div class='post-content'><div class="md"><p>Ravitch procedure, it cuts out some of the cartilage attaching ur ribs to ur sternum. Combining that with ribxcar and basically doing it for upper torso could be possible in the future. I looked and one guy who got it done literally got a reduction in his ribcage breadth without that even being the goal. </p>
+<p>It would be insanely expensive and a major surgery so you’d have trouble ever finding a competent team willing to do it but I genuinely believe it could be possible. </p>
+<p>All the underbust talk has me extremely wormed</p>
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+<h2>Comments</h2>
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+                <strong>u/SoftTinyKittenPaws</strong> • 72 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>omggg this shud be tagged as hopefuel tbhon</p>
+<p><a href="https://preview.redd.it/gs74kmgb6w0g1.png?width=522&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=fcfeaa9230b839018db5ddac4b5c4fbd075183a6">https://preview.redd.it/gs74kmgb6w0g1.png?width=522&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=fcfeaa9230b839018db5ddac4b5c4fbd075183a6</a></p>
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+                <strong>u/rabidkittybite</strong> • 40 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>until u see the price then its ropefuel</p>
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+                <strong>u/Complete_Escape_9496</strong> • 72 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>IN THE FUTURE HONS WILL BE REMADE INTO PASSOIDS</p>
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+                <strong>u/Leading_Charge8007</strong> • 42 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>Bro was pooner maxing</p>
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+                <strong>u/ikheetsoepstengel</strong> • 4 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>With botched peri? Yeah...</p>
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+                <strong>u/Agitated_Court_6785</strong> • 30 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>Please tell me someone has that screenshot from the board where its a photo of that asking what exercise he can do to fix it and someone sends a photo of a plunger.</p>
+<p>Im too lazy to go find it</p>
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+                <strong>u/ttriplegoose</strong> • 21 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>oh! i had a severe case and got the ravitch procedure. unfortunately the positives kinda cancel out because living so many years with pectus flares your bottom ribs out in the front and make them look a bit weird, even after surgery.</p>
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+                <strong>u/LemonLime1892</strong> • 21 points
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+                <div class="md"><p><a href="https://preview.redd.it/s2cezwpeuw0g1.jpeg?width=828&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=daac06608b8322447d2a2137495a12927946c69b">https://preview.redd.it/s2cezwpeuw0g1.jpeg?width=828&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=daac06608b8322447d2a2137495a12927946c69b</a></p>
+<p>Many people are saying this</p>
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+                <strong>u/Curious_Alien_534</strong> • 15 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>I have pectus. I’m a poon</p>
+<p>It’s over</p>
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+                <strong>u/PsychologicalTax2674</strong> • 14 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>I have pectus excavatum so this surgery would also simultaneously fix that too lololol.</p>
+<p>I feel like the giant scar would be worse to me than either my ribcage dysphoria or any aspect of pectus excavatum. </p>
+<p>Ive never actually been insecure about having pectus excavatum but every time I've taken my shirt off or gone swimming I get people that are like holy shit what the fuck is wrong with you.</p>
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+                <strong>u/sidnolfilga</strong> • 12 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>smol ribcage giant shoulders</p>
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+                <div class="md"><p>someday there will be a surgery for that probably</p>
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+                <strong>u/sidnolfilga</strong> • 7 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>yea brain transplant</p>
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+                <strong>u/RothaiRedPanda</strong> • 10 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>Costal cartilage reduction and rib osteotomies can reduce it. I am working through the details to have this on ribs 6 through 9.</p>
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+                <strong>u/Warm-Adeptness4174</strong> • 4 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>Holy ur a god. Who are u consulting with that offers that type of thing currently? I can’t find anything close that isn’t for correcting regular non tranny deformities</p>
+<p>Also are they limited at six or can they go higher?</p>
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+                <strong>u/RothaiRedPanda</strong> • 2 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>Dr Leif Rogers does it. Use rib xcar on 10 to 12 (already did that) then costal cartilage reduction and osteotomies on 6 through 9. You need to call and ask about it. A procedure is in development to do ribs 1 to 5 as well but it's not ready yet. I already have a 30" underbust and I'm 5'8" so I don't think I need 1 to 5 done.</p>
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+                <strong>u/Warm-Adeptness4174</strong> • 2 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>Ok damn so it is only him who does anything similar to this. ty</p>
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+                <div class="md"><p>As of now to this degree, yes. Others do rib xcar higher up but typically forego the cartilage reduction and that part is very important!</p>
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+                <div class="md"><p>Holy shit holy shit need need need need this is going on the list</p>
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+                <div class="md"><p>Yeah, This is exactly what leif rogers is working on developing, albiet with a better looking scar.</p>
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+                <strong>u/Warm-Adeptness4174</strong> • 4 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>Holyyy I’m looking and mf is a delectably mad scientist thank u for putting me on</p>
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+                <strong>u/Anon_IE_Mouse</strong> • 5 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>Yeah I mean to balance out the mad part he is currently under investigation by the cal medical board because a woman got a deep vein thrombosis after a surgery with him and died. I don’t know if it is totally his fault, but it seems like he didn’t prescribe the proper medication even though she was at risk. </p>
+<p><a href="https://youtu.be/oyoK9-b7m2Q">https://youtu.be/oyoK9-b7m2Q</a></p>
+<p>Starts at like 1:10</p>
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+                <strong>u/Intelligent-Tea-2058</strong> • 5 points
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+                <div class="md"><blockquote>
+<p>albiet with a better looking scar</p>
+</blockquote>
+<p>Yep! Access via inframammary fold</p>
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+                <strong>u/charlottt4</strong> • 5 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>There's something else that might help us, I'm going to post a video I saw of a surgeon showing the simulation of costal remodeling in some minutes</p>
+<p><a href="https://preview.redd.it/k15evfppxw0g1.jpeg?width=960&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=5fc1583a451fa6ec228db758b9e6fbb9b487541d">https://preview.redd.it/k15evfppxw0g1.jpeg?width=960&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=5fc1583a451fa6ec228db758b9e6fbb9b487541d</a></p>
+</div>
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+            <div style="font-size: 0.9em; color: #666; margin-bottom: 5px;">
+                <strong>u/Worm-eyes</strong> • 4 points
+            </div>
+            <div>
+                <div class="md"><p>its all about money</p>
+</div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
+
+        <div style="margin-left: 0px; border-left: 3px solid #ddd; padding: 10px; margin: 10px 0; background: #fafafa;">
+            <div style="font-size: 0.9em; color: #666; margin-bottom: 5px;">
+                <strong>u/Panomaniac</strong> • 3 points
+            </div>
+            <div>
+                <div class="md"><p>wait wtf i literally have mild pectus excavatum </p>
+</div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
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+            <div style="font-size: 0.9em; color: #666; margin-bottom: 5px;">
+                <strong>u/RottenSelf</strong> • 4 points
+            </div>
+            <div>
+                <div class="md"><p>I had ribxcar but now I need this so bad sigh too bad I prolly won’t be able to get it cause no surgeon would wanna do this just for a tranny</p>
+</div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
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+            <div style="font-size: 0.9em; color: #666; margin-bottom: 5px;">
+                <strong>u/Adulations</strong> • 4 points
+            </div>
+            <div>
+                <div class="md"><p>I need a full bone-ectomy tbhon</p>
+</div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
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+        <div style="margin-left: 0px; border-left: 3px solid #ddd; padding: 10px; margin: 10px 0; background: #fafafa;">
+            <div style="font-size: 0.9em; color: #666; margin-bottom: 5px;">
+                <strong>u/trvemanmotor</strong> • 3 points
+            </div>
+            <div>
+                <div class="md"><p>ribcage taper!</p>
+</div>
+            </div>
+        
+        <div style="margin-left: 20px; border-left: 3px solid #eee; padding: 10px; margin: 10px 0; background: #fafafa;">
+            <div style="font-size: 0.9em; color: #666; margin-bottom: 5px;">
+                <strong>u/trvemanmotor</strong> • 3 points
+            </div>
+            <div>
+                <div class="md"><p>massive hopefuel, i want this so bad</p>
+</div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
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+            <div style="font-size: 0.9em; color: #666; margin-bottom: 5px;">
+                <strong>u/ClassicArmadillo5063</strong> • 3 points
+            </div>
+            <div>
+                <div class="md"><p>"not enough dosh for that one hon"</p>
+</div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
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+                <strong>u/NonStickyAdhesive</strong> • 2 points
+            </div>
+            <div>
+                <div class="md"><p>Holy shit. I have pectus excavatum. I want this</p>
+</div>
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+                <strong>u/LockNo2943</strong> • 2 points
+            </div>
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+                <div class="md"><p>Would tbh.</p>
+<p>Honestly I just need to get back into corseting and try crushing mine some more.</p>
+</div>
+            </div>
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+                <strong>u/Confident-Variety512</strong> • 1 points
+            </div>
+            <div>
+                <div class="md"><p>is this going to be trannies’ future version of top surgery scars? (only 1 scar tho)</p>
+</div>
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+            <div style="font-size: 0.9em; color: #666; margin-bottom: 5px;">
+                <strong>u/NomadJoanne</strong> • 2 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>Um.... I dunno about that. I think it would just push the ribs outwards anteriorly (forwards). So you would have more of a barrel chest.</p>
+</div>
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+                <strong>u/HealingRosy</strong> • -9 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>Wait.... I have moderately bad pectus excavatum.</p>
+<p>Could I go from an underbust passoid to gigapassoid lmao</p>
+</div>
+            </div>
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+            <div style="font-size: 0.9em; color: #666; margin-bottom: 5px;">
+                <strong>u/PottyCrab</strong> • 7 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>Sheesh read the room</p>
+</div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
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+<h1>What do you see as the characteristic "style" or aesthetic of the main FFS surgeons (DB, Keojampa, Mardirossian, Lee etc.)</h1>
+<p><strong>r/Transgender_Surgeries</strong> • by u/Odd-League61 • 28 points</p>
+<div class='post-content'><div class="md"><p>People talk about certain doctors having a signature "look" about their work but what is it exactly?</p>
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+<h2>Comments</h2>
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+                <strong>u/honeysucklerose504</strong> • 15 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>I’ll give my 2 cents:</p>
+<p>DB: Narrow chin/jaw, very full cheeks, dramatic eyes sometimes leaning towards doll-ishness in the upper third, harmonious noses</p>
+<p>Keojampa: Kibbe “romantic” faces, full rounded cheeks, often short philtrum with tooth show</p>
+<p>Mardirossian: nose is often similar with reduced bridge and graceful slightly upturned tip, rounded hairline with a preference for hairline incision</p>
+<p>Harrison Lee: Insta model, glamorous, small forehead, petite nose, full cheeks, often dramatic V line</p>
+<p>That being said, having looked at so many results here online and during consults with some of these doctors, I think they are just about all very much trying to cater what they do to the individual and what she wants and it is by no means a one size fits all. With few exceptions, patients who see them end up looking beautifully unique imo</p>
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+                <strong>u/zakuropanache</strong> • 1 points
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+                <div class="md"><blockquote>
+<p>harmonious noses</p>
+</blockquote>
+<p>harmonious with what though? he does the same nose every time</p>
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+                <strong>u/honeysucklerose504</strong> • 3 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>I guess I mean I never really NOTICE the nose on his patients which is what I mean by harmonious. I guess it is kind of the same, but it blends which is what you want your nose to do</p>
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+                <strong>u/zakuropanache</strong> • 2 points
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+                <div class="md"><p>thats fair. to me they stand out, but im also used to looking at them in this context so i probably have that bias. if i just saw them out in public id probably just think they look nice</p>
+<p>i just also found "harmonious" a bit of a funny word since it implies some sort of harmony with your other features (i.e he's doing it with the rest of your face in mind). but its also just the same nose. but youre right that it does do that haha</p>
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