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No explanations, just instructions! (feminizing)

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Very quickly before we get to the meat of things...

What if I need help?

I offer free and paid lessons as well as free clip feedback and free weekly drop-ins on my discord server below!

I require one thing when scheduling lessons, and that is to pass this short 10 question quiz I've designed. Once this quiz is passed, you'll be emailed a link to the lesson scheduler. If you've joined the Discord community, you'll also be given access to a channel where the lesson scheduler link is always available. If not, be sure to save it somewhere!

I prefer to do the lessons via Discord, but I also offer them via Zoom, Google Hangouts, or whatever your preferred program may be if you are not comfortable with using Discord.

Join the Discord community here!

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Take the quiz here!

Or you can email me at [email protected] with any questions!

Now to the important stuff!

We start in the voiceless for the first 4-6 weeks. This means only whispering and breathing exercises.

Phase 1 - Building Muscle memory:
For the next 2-3 weeks, until you can perform the exercises involved in your sleep.

Learn the Big Dog Little Dog (BDLD) exercise: audio recording
Learn the Voiceless "puh" exercise: audio recording
Note: Do not vocalize at the end yet. It is a sign of mastery, but it's not something we start with.

Homework:

Goals
1. Get familiar and build muscle memory with the core exercises.
2. (Stretch) Build voiceless strength by pushing your limits a tad.

Exercises
6x BDLD pendulum
6x Voiceless "puh" pendulum

Repeat until 5-10 minutes has passed
Aim for three 5-10 minute sessions a day, spaced out by a few hours each

"Pendulum" refers to starting from a low resonance, moving to a high resonance, then back to a low resonance. Your ascents and descents should be as smooth and controlled as a pendulum's swing.

Quick instruction on training sessions:
They should be no shorter than 5 minutes and no longer than 10 minutes. These short sessions should be spaced a minimum of two hours apart. Three of these sessions per day seems to be optimal, but is not required. If you're having trouble training, aim for one 5-minute session to keep the training habit alive. If you're feeling great and want to train a bunch, go for five sessions, so long as they're still spaced out as above.

Phase 2 - Building Strength:
For the next 2-3 weeks, until you can push much farther towards your target resonance than before, and hold it for longer.

MANDATORY NOTES ON STRAIN:
We will be pushing our limits, so we will run into strain. Strain should be avoided, but running into it isn't the end of the world. If you experience pain or difficulty breathing in any form, immediately stop what you're doing. Try it once more without straining, if you're able to then great, move on. If you're not able to do it without straining, ask for help. If strain becomes a habit, it can lead to long lasting or permanent damage to your voice.

Learn the Voiceless "eh" exercise: audio recording
Replace the Voiceless "puh" with the Voiceless "eh" in our exercises.

Homework:

Goals
1. Build muscle strength with our core exercises.
2. Gently push your limits at the top.

Exercises
3x BDLD (Big Dog Little Dog) up and hold (10 seconds)
3x voiceless "eh" up and hold (10 seconds)

Repeat until 5-10 minutes has passed
Aim for three 5-10 minute sessions a day, spaced out by a few hours each

"Up and hold" refers to getting to your highest resonance, pushing a little higher, then holding there until time runs out or the muscles begin to burn. Ideally, we hold until just before the muscles start to burn, then drop and rest. Do not hold your muscles high into the burn, they're too small to handle it and you may strain them.


Start with a Voiceless "eh" and get to as high a resonance as you can. Try to hold that resonance as you add voice and begin to speak a few sentences from whatever you can read around you. Odds are, you lost most of your resonance switching from the Voiceless "eh" and that's completely normal. Being able to convert your voiceless resonance into voiced resonance is a skill, and it will get better as we practice.

For 2-3 weeks, until switching to voice is much easier.

Homework:

Goals
1. Improve bringing voiceless resonance into voice.
2. Generally build strength and endurance in the voice.
3. Keep voiceless resonance strong.

Exercises
2x BDLD up and hold (10s)
4x voiceless "eh" up and hold (10s)
5x voiceless "eh" to high resonance, switch to voice and read a sentence

Repeat until 5-10 minutes has passed
Aim for three 5-10 minute sessions a day, spaced out by a few hours each

Reducing Vocal Weight and Getting Stronger in Voice

Homework:

Goals
1. Generally build strength and endurance in the voice.
2. Reduce aspects of vocal weight as needed.
3. Continue pushing limits in the voiceless.

Exercises
2x BDLD up and hold (10s)
4x voiceless "eh" up and hold (10s)
5x voiceless "eh" to high resonance, switch to voice and read three sentences
- Strength reading, push as high as you can in resonance and hold briefly
3x voiceless "eh" to high resonance, switch to voice and read ten sentences
- Endurance reading, push high-ish and hold for longer

Repeat until 5-10 minutes has passed
Aim for three 5-10 minute sessions a day, spaced out by a few hours each

If there is a buzzy sound to your voice, like a bee, add the Quotient Slide exercise to your Exercises list.

Learn the Quotient Slide exercise: audio recording

4x voiceless "eh" up and hold (10s)
3x Quotient Slide
5x voiceless "eh" to high resonance, switch to voice and read three sentences

Going between the last voiceless exercise and first voiced exercise.

If there is a loud or brassy sound to your voice, kind of like a trumpet, (or you believe your voice is not breathy enough) add the Gee - Heh exercise to your Exercises list.

Learn the Gee - Heh exercise: audio recording

3x voiceless "eh" to high resonance, switch to voice and read ten sentences

- Endurance reading, push high-ish and hold for longer
2x Gee - Heh

Going right after your endurance reading.

If there is a sizzling sound, particularly at the end of words, add the Tiered List exercise to your Exercises list.

Learn the Tiered List exercise: audio recording
List:

Level 1: H word into a vowel (any word that starts with H really)
Honey
Hawaii
Hurried
Heroism
Harness

Level 2: H words into a vowel followed by an unvoiced consonant or pause into a vowel
Harrowing Obstacle
Hapless Egg
Hastened Animal
Horrible Action
Hunted Official

Level 3: Unvoiced consonant or pause into a vowel
Apple
Target
Oats
Pet
Eternal

1x Tiered List
2x BDLD up and hold (10s)

Going right before your first voiceless exercise.

Practice these weight control exercises for approximately 2-3 weeks before moving on.

Intuitive Resonance Control

The IRC exercises are the way that we will create a practical way to move around between voices. We do this by trying to move in resonance only by speaking aloud!

Learn the IRC:

Intuitive Resonance Control (IRC)
Notice how your voice currently sounds, this is your comfortable level.

Sentence 1: Speak at a higher than comfortable resonance (try to just speak higher but if that fails use a voiceless to voiced transition)

Sentence 2: Drop resonance to comfortable level

Sentence 3: Raise your resonance back to that of Sen 1

Sentence 4+: Raise your resonance higher and higher with each new sentence

Follow along with the audio lesson

Learn the EIRC:

Extremes Intuitive Resonance Control (EIRC)
Sentences 1-3 : Current resonance to highest resonance

Sentences 4-5 : Stay at highest resonance

Sentences 6-8 : Highest resonance to lowest resonance

Sentences 9-10 : Stay at lowest resonance

Follow along with the audio lesson

The IRC is all about exploring our limits and pushing them when we have plenty of time. The EIRC is about doing the same but much faster while still trying to stay in control.

Homework:

Goals
1. Get used to the IRC exercises.
2. Continue pushing limits in the voiceless and voice.
3. Reduce aspects of vocal weight as needed.

Exercises
4x Voiceless "eh" up and hold (10s)
5x Voiceless "eh" -> voiced reading of five sentences
- Strength reading, push as far as you can to your goal resonance and hold for shorter

1x EIRC ( 2 sets of 10 sentences)
3x IRC ( 1 set of 10 sentences ) -> additional voiced reading of fifteen sentences
- Endurance reading, push as far-ish as you can to your goal resonance and hold for longer

Repeat until 5-20 minutes has passed
Aim for three 5-10 minute or two 10-20 minute sessions a day, spaced out by a few hours each

Practice this first homework for approximately 2-3 weeks. Insert your fullness balancing exercises as normal.

Homework:

Goals
1. Use the IRC's to move quickly and effectively into our ideal voice.
2. Continue pushing limits in the voiceless and voice.
3. Reduce aspects of vocal weight as needed.

Exercises
4x Voiceless "eh" up and hold (10s)

2x EIRC ( 2 sets of 10 sentences)
5x IRC ( 1 set of 10 sentences ) -> additional voiced reading of ten sentences
- Strength reading, push as far as you can to your goal resonance and hold for shorter
3x IRC ( 1 set of 10 sentences ) -> additional voiced reading of thirty sentences
- Endurance reading, push as far-ish as you can to your goal resonance and hold for longer

Repeat until 5-20 minutes has passed

Aim for three 5-10 minute or two 10-20 minute sessions a day, spaced out by a few hours each

Practice this second homework for approximately 4-6 weeks. Insert your fullness balancing exercises as normal.

Where to go from here?

If you've gotten this far and still don't have a voice that you're happy with, and that's actually fairly likely, you need to reach out and ask for help on where to go next. For as many guides as you may read, you're not an expert in voice and there are just some things that take experience to know and understand. These same things can be quite literally impossible or completely impractical to try and describe in something as simple as a guide. Issues that persist beyond this point need hands on training with a coach.

I tried to cover everything I could, in as little detail as possible while still getting the job done. Hopefully, it was helpful!

Happy training!

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Shortcut to female voice

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Shortcut to female voice

+ +Voice therapists and speech pathologists tell MtF transsexuals that +MtF voice change requires long training. They are financially interested +to insist that there are no shortcuts, and/or don't know a shortcut +because it's not in their books. I know a shortcut, and explain it here. +To grasp it   is much faster and cheaper (free :) than going to a +speech therapist, but requires some effort to reread several times. +Popular books repeat each idea multiple times in different words. +Here I don't repeat, so you'll need to reread this page +until you fully understand every sentence. Then don't skip steps. +

+Melanie Anne Phillips +is right that what she calls "resonance" is the most important +(a man and a woman can sing the same note, i.e. with exactly same pitch, +but you still can hear that one voice is male and another female). +But Melanie doesn't explain correctly how she changes her resonance (timbre) +because she just changes it while not understanding how she does that. +

+Adam's Apple is a projection of +thyroid +cartilage - the largest part of +larynx +(which sometimes is called "voice box"). +Anterior (frontal) ends of +vocal folds/cords +are attached to thyroid cartilage on the inside. Trachea (the tube from lungs +to larynx) is flexible and extensible a little, like a vacuum cleaner hose. +Pharynx (the tube from larynx to oral cavity) is soft and flexible. +Larynx is suspended in the neck from horseshoe-shaped +hyoid bone +at the juncture of neck and head. Larynx and hyoid bone together +are suspended with three groups of muscles: the first group of muscles +pulls larynx downwards (towards clavicles); the second group of muscles +pulls larynx upwards and forwards (towards chin tip); the third group +of muscles pulls larynx upwards and backwards. Larynx can be shifted +with these muscles in various directions. By will too. +

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+There is a common misconception among singers and their teachers +about "head resonance" vs. "chest resonance". Indeed there is +a very important (for us) distinction, but the resonance +really is not in the chest cavity. Place your hand on your upper chest +at the center, say "mmmm...". If you feel how your chest vibrates +then it's because the first set of muscles (between larynx and clavicles) +are strained, so taut muscles conduct vibration from vocal folds attached +to the larynx to chest bones. It only seems that the chest resonates, +really it just vibrates. The resonance important for us is in the +vocal tract from vocal folds to lips. Chest vibration is a sign +that you do it wrong regarding voice feminization because that +first set of muscles besides conducting vibration also pulls larynx down +lengthening the vocal tract. The resonance important for us depends +on vocal tract length (longer tube resonates on lower frequencies, +so the voice sounds masculine). +For voice feminization you need to shorten your vocal tract +by pulling your larynx upwards and backwards +(the crucial bit about "and backwards" - thanks Rachael on the +[voicets] group). +As a useful side effect, that also hides Adam's Apple from sight. +

+Understanding of this paragraph is optional: +
Frequency of vibration of vocal cords is called pitch, or +fundamental frequency (F0), or glottal pulse rate (GPR). +It's like vibration of a guitar string. +Vocal tract length (VTL) determines frequencies of formants - +resonances in vocal tract, like resonances in acoustic guitar body. +Imagine that you change volume of guitar body - the guitar +will sound different with the same notes played on the same strings. +Don't confuse formants with harmonics/overtones. +Human ear works like a spectrograph. Formants are peaks of +spectral envelope on a spectrogram. Formants, GPR and VTL +are terms of phonetics. Speech therapists traditionally don't study +recent advances in phonetics concerning importance of +VTL as well as GPR for male vs. female voice perception. +So they lead the long (paid) way around +with various exercises instead of the shortcut. +

+Larynx is pulled upwards and backwards with three pairs of muscles. +Their names: +stylopharyngeus muscle,   + +posterior belly of the digastric muscle,   +stylohyoid muscle. +Study pictures on three pages linked from this paragraph. +You need to understand where these muscles are. +Then imagine where they are in your neck. +

+More pictures (I highlighted names of relevant parts in yellow): +

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+1. Place your fingers of your throat lightly, swallow, feel how +Adam's apple goes up, then down. Look at it in a mirror (or from a side +using a web-camera). +
2. Swallow again, try to delay its descent. +Try to feel inside your neck (not with fingers) the muscles +which pull Adam's apple upwards during swallowing. +
3. Learn to pull your Adam's Apple upwards and backwards. +
4. Then learn to do that during speech. It's the shortcut. +

+Besides delaying larynx descent after swallowing, another trick +"to get it" is imagining that you direct sound of your voice +through palate towards nose tip. +

+One more way: those muscles are contracted while gargling +(for much longer time than during swallowing). +

+Pulling your Adam's Apple upwards and backwards +makes the resonance of your voice female. +But you'll notice that doing that also makes raising pitch easier. +

+Dr. James Thomas' FemLar (feminization laryngoplasty) surgery +nowadays consists from 1) cutting off +a vertical strip at the center of thyroid cartilage and +anterior parts of vocal folds, stitching the remnants together +(that raises pitch and eliminates Adam's Apple), +and 2) thyrohyoid elevation (don't confuse with cricothyroid approximation) - +he ties thyroid cartilage to hyoid bone. +The 1) was invented by a Thai surgeon Somyos Kunachak, +but only Thomas does the 2) after Patty studied phonetics +and explained about VTL on the [voicets] group and to Thomas. +After FemLar vocal folds are not as taut as after +cricothyroid approximation (CTA), so they don't stretch +and pitch doesn't lower back after few years. +But the FemLar surgery besides leaving a scar is very risky: +one cough during the first month can tear the stitch, +a vocal fold comes loose and you lose the voice altogether; +uneven length of cut folds can cause air leak between folds; +voice becomes weaker and can become less intelligible. +Thyrohyoid elevation pulls larynx up, but you can pull larynx further +by will without surgery. +

+Testosterone causes growth of vocal folds and thyroid cartilage, +male vocal folds are longer and more massive. Less known fact is +that male larynx descends further than female. I suspect that +testosterone lengthens stylohyoid ligament. Besides, +average male skull is larger than average female skull, +so for female VTL you need to pull larynx (with Adam's Apple) +(upwards and backwards) further than its usual female position. +

+In order to learn how to make your voice female, you need to reread this page +until you fully understand every sentence. Then don't skip steps. +

+Discussion about all this - on the +[voicets] group. +

+Inexpensive DIY MtF HRT +

+Lena +

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+Last updated on January 1, 2023. +
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Hacking YAP/TAZ mechanosensor against skin aging (in the future)

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r/estrogel • by u/darthemofan • 7 points

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Paper and links

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This is a review of "YAP/TAZ activity in stromal cells prevents ageing by controlling cGAS-STING" in Nature. 2022 Jul 1; 607(7920): 790–798.

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medline: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7613988/

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pdf: on https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7613988/pdf/EMS158105.pdf

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YAP/TAZ our old friend for scarless healing

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I love to talk about verteporfin and its potential for scarless healing: understanding how verteporfin scarless healing works under the hood was very instructive.

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YAP/TAZ is a mechanosensor for the cells: it detects tearing and shearing.

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In mammals, this detection causes the activation of a pathway that creates a scar - but we still have "under the hood" in our cells the same ability for scarless regeneration as seen in other species, so if you put something that blocks YAP/TAZ mechanosensor (such as verteporfin), then there's no scar, and the tissues heals perfectly - with hair follicule and everything!

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Personally, I can't wait to buy some verteporfin to test on myself! (2 small problems: I don't have any surgery planned that should leave a large scar, and there's a worldwide shortage, but a good friend told me it's available in China, so I'll see what I can do)

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But this begs the questions: wtf is YAP/TAZ doing when you don't have a gaping wound?

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In the human body, most things are multipurpose, so it should play some other kind of role the rest of the time. This is the principle of "no free lunch": blindly putting verteporfin anywhere like some kind of holy water should be bad - and if we don't know just "how bad", it means we don't know nothing.

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TLDR: YAP/TAZ other job: limit aging

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We now about the scar stuff, but YAP/TAZ is mostly involved in preventing senescence, by sensing the force applied to the cell (it's a mechanosensor) and respond to them by maintaining the ECM (extra cellular matrix)

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Think about cells as being surrounded by a bunch of stuff: the stuff is the ECM (made of collagen elastin etc). When cells detect mechanical forces, the feedback loop is they make a little more ECM, to limit the tearing/shearing.

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Compared to scarless healing, that means YAP/TAZ works the other way around: a knockout (removing the normal function) should give you a animal with scarless healing (unfortunately, something they didnt check) yet it would come at a price: faster ageing!

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Here I'm jumping a big ahead, but let's look at how the paper came to these conclusions

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YAP/TAZ knockout gives a faster aging mouse

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"To experimentally mimic the decline of YAP/TAZ activity during physiological ageing, we carried out YAP/TAZ inactivation in stromal cells of young adult mice (...) YAP/TAZ were genetically deleted by Tamoxifen administration at 2.5 months of age, and mice were analyzed after 5-8 weeks (see Methods). Histopathological assessment of the skin of young Col-YAP/TAZ cKO mice showed a decreased number of fibroblasts (Fig. 2a, b and Extended Data Fig. 2b), upregulation of Cdkn1a mRNA (Fig. 2c and Extended Data Fig. 2c), and aberrant collagen deposition (Extended Data Fig. 2d, e), all established phenotypes of the ageing dermis11,14. YAP/TAZ ablation in dermal fibroblasts also led to non-cell-autonomous effects, such as reduction of subcutaneous fat and reduced density of hair follicles (Fig. 2d), well-known traits of the ageing skin15. In addition, the phenotype of Col-YAP/TAZ cKO mice overlaps with that of old mice"

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After being captivated by the introduction and this detail (and it's just the beginning of the paper!), I thought, we're not so interested in artificially aging mices, but keeping them young and healthy.

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Inducing YAP/TAZ prevent this

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Well, doing "pulses" of YAP/TAZ activity with doxycyclin-inducible transgenes helps keep these faster aging mice in good health:

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"In light of the above results on YAP/TAZ cKO mice, and given that declining YAP/TAZ activity accompanies physiological ageing, we next asked whether the converse experiment - experimentally sustaining YAP/TAZ activity - could delay or suppress features of ageing. For this, we used mice carrying a doxycycline-inducible transgene encoding active YAP (TetO-YAPS127A;R26-rtTAM2)16; starting from 3 months of age, mice were kept under a pulsating regimen of YAP expression (as measured by western blot on tail tip fibroblasts, Extended Data Fig. 2g) by administering low doses of doxycycline twice a week until they reached more than 21 months of age. We found that sustaining YAP function prevented several features of ageing, rescuing fibroblast density (..) and hair follicle density (Fig. 2d), all to levels comparable to those of younger mice."

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So not only the mice didn't loose their hairs, but they also had good arteries:

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"We next extended these conclusions to a second example of declining YAP/TAZ mechanosignalling during ageing, that is the aortic wall" (..) Thus, YAP/TAZ mechanotransduction in aortic SMCs is an essential signal integral to the youthful homeostasis of the aortic wall, and its attenuation drives pathological features typically associated with natural ageing.

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YAP/TAZ mechanosensor needs a working ECM

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After reading that, my first thought was: "could YAP/TAZ involvement in skin aging simply be a reduced signal sensibility due to the ECM degradation?

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They indirectly tested the ECM idea by looking at mutations of Fibrillin-1: it does to the aorta the same changes as seem in aging, but again pulsing YAP/TAZ stopped progression of aorta elastic aging:

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"If YAP/TAZ mechanotransduction is relevant for controlling the ageing process, then attenuating mechanotransduction through direct manipulation of the ECM should also favor the emerge of ageing phenotypes, and in a manner driven by YAP/TAZ inhibition. An ideal playground to test this hypothesis is represented by mutations in Fbn1, which encodes Fibrillin-1 - an adhesive protein associated with the elastic fibers." (..) As visualized by immunofluorescence for YAP/TAZ, p-MLC2 and by western blot for p-FAK, we found that Fbn1 mutation recapitulates, in a few months, the mechanosensing decline that normally occurs over a lifetime (Fig. 3c, d and Extended Data Fig. 3d-f).

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They didn't directly test the ECM idea, but it's a good enough proxy!

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YAP/TAZ shows all the signs of actual aging

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It's the real aging stuff: take old cells and put them in a culture: they're still old

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"old fibroblasts, analyzed shortly after explantation, retain the same cytoplasmic YAP/TAZ bias they display in vivo"

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The cells also shows a SASP (senescence associated secretion profile) and beta-galactosidase, 2 well known hallmarks of aging, so it's likely YAP/TAZ causes both scarred healing (upon injury) and anti aging functions (upon normal condition):

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"Loss of YAP/TAZ in cultured fibroblasts also activates senescence-associated β-Galactosidase (SA-β-Gal), a classic marker of senescence (Extended Data Fig. 4f), consistent with prior in vitro findings. (..) experimentally sustaining YAP/TAZ activity rejuvenated these cells, suppressing SASP and SA-β-Gal expression (Fig. 4b, Extended Data Fig. 4g,h). SASP suppression was also attained by sustaining endogenous mechanotransduction and YAP/TAZ nuclear levels, through treatment with the integrin agonist pyrintegrin22"

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And it goes both ways:

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"Conversely, senescence was readily induced in young fibroblasts by experimental attenuation of YAP/TAZ mechanotransduction through inhibition of Rho-GTPases (Extended Data Fig 4k, l), one of the key upstream inputs that, by modulating the actin cytoskeleton, positively controls YAP/TAZ activity6. Thus, induction of senescence in old fibroblasts functionally associates to declining YAP/TAZ function."

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Finding ways to hack YAP/TAZ

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YAP/TAZ mechanosensing is needed to limit senescence and if it's prevented for working by making a super rigid ECM, things like those seen in aging happen:

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"Next, we investigated the role of mechanical cues in the regulation of the YAP/TAZ-cGAS axis. For this, we inhibited YAP/TAZ activity by plating fibroblasts on compliant ECM-hydrogels, as such reducing the pulling forces from the ECM6. Mechanical inhibition of YAP/TAZ led to activation of cGAS, which was indeed rescued by adding back YAP (Extended Data Fig. 6a,b). Similarly, in another model of low tensional state (cellular confinement onto small adhesive areas6), mechanical inhibition of endogenous YAP/TAZ also triggered activation of cGAS (Extended Data Fig. 6c); under these conditions, cells are forced to adopt a more rounded morphology, a phenomenon that has also been observed in human dermal fibroblast during ageing"

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The most interesting is how it works under the hood, and how it can be avoided even if the ECM "rigidity" couldn't be fixed, by using drugs: then all the bad things can be avoided by inactivating STING!

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"in the skin of YAP/TAZ cKO; STINGGt/Gt mice, STING inactivation prevented loss of fibroblasts and preserved youthful ECM organization, subcutaneous fat layer and hair follicle density" (..) Taken together, these data indicate that YAP/TAZ restrain cGAS-STING signalling during adult tissue homeostasis in vivo, preventing emergence of senescent cells, of a proinflammatory microenvironment and age-related tissue dysfunction"

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That's a super long and detailed paper, each of the experiment would by themselves be worthy of a standalone paper. The coherent whole is worthy of nature!

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"Here we identified a molecular mechanism regulating in vivo cell senescence and ageing centered on the YAP/TAZ-cGAS-STING signalling conduit (..) we show that physiological ageing of multiple tissues parallels declining mechanotransduction, as visualized by attenuated YAP/TAZ activity and reduced cellular mechanosignalling. Future work will be required to further dissect the intimate causes underlying changes in mechanotransduction during ageing; these may be due, for example, to alterations in the physical properties of the ECM, in the viscoelastic properties of the whole tissue, in integrin-ECM association, or linked to more cell intrinsic alterations, such as defective contractility, or other changes."

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"The findings break new ground on the nature of the signals and mechanisms inducing senescence in vivo. Depletion of senescent cells by senolytics has been shown to ameliorate ageing traits as such connecting accumulation of senescent cells to ageing1,2. Yet, the upstream molecular events that induce senescence in living tissues have so far remained unclear"

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"The identity of the cell types initiating senescence in living tissues remains poorly investigated. Here we found that waning levels of YAP/TAZ mechanotransduction is not a generalized feature of all cell types but occurs primarily in stromal and contractile cells. It is in these same cell types that we validated the YAP/TAZ-cGAS-STING connection to senescence and ageing-related tissue dysfunctions; it is thus tempting to propose that ageing may primarily initiate in tissues providing the structural framework and mechanical support to mammalian organs"

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"Irrespectively, the endogenous function of YAP/TAZ as regulator of senescence in adult tissues in vivo, and in specific cell types, remained unexplored, let alone the role of YAP/TAZ in ageing. The present results establish YAP/TAZ as factors playing physiological functions in youthful tissue homeostasis. This represents a departure from the current view of YAP/TAZ as relevant for cancer and tissue regeneration but irrelevant for normal adult homeostasis, as inferred by the inconsequentiality of YAP/TAZ genetic ablation in many epithelial tissues49"

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"Our work contributes to fill this gap by showing that STING inhibition in vivo is sufficient to prevent accrual of senescent cells and, in so doing, the later emergence of accelerated ageing traits"

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"YAP/TAZ activity is in turn instrumental to preserve the mechanical resilience of the nuclear envelope. This raises the possibility of mechanically regulated feedback loops between YAP/TAZ and the physical attributes of the nucleus and the cytoskeleton to be explored in future work, and particularly in the context of ageing biology."

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If you activate YAP/TAZ mechanosensor or inhibit STING, it should stop the tissue aging, as is shown in their aorta examples, and maybe even rejuvenate them if the process is enough to restores the ECM (so make elastin, collagen etc), as the cells could then "sense" again the forces, and maintain their ECM.

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Eventually, it should make it possible to "undo" the UV damage (80% of facial skin aging), so that the facial skin is like sun-protected skin (which responds well to E2 or E3!)

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In the meantime, scarless healing is already a very cool thing, and verteporfin is an FDA approved drug. The shortages suck though!

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As a more accessible version of the paper, another paper that's more a comment on this original work https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9632523/

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For the ECM aging, elastin is what matters first: it declines after 25, while collagen declines after 60.

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While it's mostly focused on what's regulating elastin transcription, this paper has a good intro: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9448287/

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Many papers attempt to increase elastin by making peptides, to talk about things like matrixmetalloproteases (MMP) check https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10408523/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9827338/ : just focus on the introduction and the discussion.

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Verteporfin has been used by some hair transplant surgeons with some descent success. Dr Quazi in California is trying to do a small trial on facial scars ( I think he is still looking for candidates) . If it’s a doctor or research facility ordering it, it’s available on some chemist sites like medichem express etc.

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BTW I creeped up your profile and found these links that other ppl here might find helpful:

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https://www.realself.com/review/microneedling-incision-burn-scar-legs-forehead-verteporfin

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microneedle + injection, % unknown but explains the process use a sonicator, so it's likely a simple dilution from the powder

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https://www.realself.com/review/scarless-after-verteporfin-injected-scar-revision

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injected 0.1ml of 2mg/ml concentration per cm

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https://www.reddit.com/r/AcneScars/comments/18pfxvw/verteporfin

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scar removal + injection on the surgery day

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btw mh040404 you know a whole lot ab verteporfin.

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do you have a scar bothering you? is there any way I can help you? +like, do you want a recipe to make your own from raws?

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Wow this is really interesting. I'm glad I'm subbed to this place, there's really informative posts on here I wouldn't have found otherwise.

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I'm hopefully getting surgery in a while, so the potential of verteporfin would be useful. Of course I'll have to read more about it myself, but still, I didn't know that was a thing before now.

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I didn't know that was a thing before now

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here we innovate around problems - there was no DIY transdermal from raws 4 years ago. now there is, bc we did the work

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What to do when you've damaged your skin barrier? Stratia Gold!

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r/skinwhitening • by u/darthemofan • 6 points

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If you're like me, you like to try new products, and you stack them because why not, and some day you realize it hurts when you apply them.

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There's only 1 product I can vouch for in situations like that: Stratia Liquid Gold: you apply it for a few days, morning and evening, either at the end of your routine or as a replacement to your routine, then TA-DAH your skin is healed! It's like a miracle cure!

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I don't like to post links, bc it could be interpreted as trying to make money/referrals, so just google for it!

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I'm currently on a course of stratia gold after trying too many things on the back of my hands, then overdoing the tret to try to even out the pigmentation

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Ceramide based moisturizer. If possible, apply Ghee( clarified butter). Helped me recover really fast.

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It worked for me. If you feel it will clog your pores, just use a gentle facewash and moisturiser with ceramides. Everyone has different skin. All the best.

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For anyone reading and looking for reparative products, LRP Cicaplast Baume B5 healed my skin like Wolverine when I was on tretinoin. Just wanted to offer an additional recommendation to Stratia Gold.

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L's Voice Training Guide (Level 1) for MTF transgender vocal feminization

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L's Voice Training Guide (Level 1) for MTF transgender vocal feminization

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L's Voice Training Guide

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Level 1 - Foundations
+ 1. Inspiration *
+ 2. Vocal Tract Length ***
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Level 2 - Intermediate
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+ 5. Open Quotient *
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Level 3 - Advanced
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Level 4 - Mastery
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Introduction

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Hey, friend. Want to change your voice? Well... you can - that's an option.

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Your voice is much more malleable than you may realize. There are at least a dozen different dimensions that you can learn to control independently to change the sound of your voice. The way you talk right now is not your one "true" voice, it is a habit. A habit that can be changed, if you so choose.

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I like to come at this challenge from two angles. One is to break down all the muscle movements involved and learn to manipulate them individually, through simple drills. The other is to listen to carefully selected example voices and learn to imitate them, intuitively. You will get results much faster by using both, as you do in this guide.

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My approach to voice training is not a process of feminization. It is a journey in flexibility, to full fluency over the entire possibility space of your voice. This guide is aimed at those of you who are already comfortable in the masculine end of the spectrum. With the exercises I've gathered here, you will familiarize yourself with the feminine end - and everything in between.

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Once you have gained complete freedom across your vocal range, you can choose exactly where you'd like to live - whether that is within one voice, or two. Or three. Masculine, feminine, or androgynous, young or old, human or cartoon. Any or all. It's up to you.

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So now, listen to this clip to hear me demonstrate the eight most important elements for vocal feminization, gradually transforming a masculine voice into a feminine one. Then, listen to this clip to hear how they sound one at a time, in isolation. With practice, you can learn to do this too!

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Most of the material in this guide can be traced back to the pioneering work of Zheanna Erose of TransVoiceLessons, as well as the excellent free tutorial videos at New York Vocal Coaching. Many thanks, also, to the Scinguistics community, and of course, all of you lovely people here on r/transvoice!

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I've organized this guide into four levels, from Foundations to Mastery, each split into three subsections. You could easily spend a month on each level - a week or two per subsection. But you don't have to master each subsection before moving on to the next. Just give yourself enough time to digest the material and get a feel for it, and then start the next subsection as soon as you no longer feel overwhelmed.

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Ready? Let's begin.

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Level 1 - Foundations

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1. Inspiration

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Start by watching this video for a really quick overview of the voice feminization process (and optionally, this video to learn more about the acoustic theory involved). Then watch this video for a breakdown of the vocal anatomy involved.

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Your homework is to find a recording of a female speaking voice that you'd like to be able to imitate, that can serve as an inspiration and a point of reference. It doesn't have to be the one perfect, ultimate voice - just find one or two examples that seem pleasant and relatable. Think of female actresses or characters with nice voices, or YouTubers or podcast hosts you enjoy (search for "female youtubers" or "female podcast hosts" if you need some ideas). Mine is this podcast interview with Keon Saghari. Go ahead and use that if you can't decide on one right now!

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Then start listening to it, at least a little bit every day. This will help you internalize the sounds and speech patterns of the voice that you like. And be on the lookout for new voices - if you find one you like better, start listening to that one instead!

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Next you want to start strengthening and learning to control the muscles that raise your larynx (or voice box). This is how you shorten the length of your vocal tract, from your larynx to your lips, to match the proportions of a typical female vocal tract. Building these muscles will take a while, so we'll start with this first.

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Do not do the swallow-and-hold exercise from this video, as the hold can cause unnecessary strain, but do try swallowing a few times. You want to touch your larynx (Adam's apple) lightly with your finger, and then yawn and feel it move down, and then swallow and feel it move up.

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Once you have felt this a few times, watch this video and try the "big dog, small dog" exercise. If you're having trouble with the small dog, it can help to start yawning, to bring the larynx down, and then start to swallow to bring the larynx up, and then stick your tongue out like a dog panting and say "ahh" in a whisper to make sure you're not closing off your throat. Then watch this video and try the whisper siren exercise. You want to smoothly slide from a big dog "uhh" to a small dog "ehh" as your larynx slides upward. Again, place a finger or two lightly on your throat to feel your larynx move up and down.

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Your homework is to practice the whisper siren for few minutes whenever you remember, throughout the day - say, whenever you go to the bathroom. It's almost silent, so you can do it anywhere and practice holding your muscles in place at the top (the high end of the siren, or the small dog) to build strength. Eventually, you want to learn to lift your larynx easily, without straining the muscles in your jaw and neck. As you get more comfortable with it, try to relax your neck a little bit more each time, until you can do it without tension.

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Keep doing the previous exercises every day, but when you're ready for something more, you can start working on your pitch, or how high or low your voice is. Pitch is just one of many elements, and not even the most important, but it's probably the most well-known difference between the average male and female voice.

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In addition to pitch, there are several registers that your voice will lock into at different points along your range, each with a different sound quality. Watch this video to hear the differences between a chest voice and a falsetto (and a mix voice, which is technically the same register as your chest voice, your modal register). Follow along with the warmups in this video, and then try switching between the registers a few times, both singing and speaking.

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Then download the Android app Vocal Pitch Monitor (or Vocal Pitch Monitor on iOS) and in the settings, change the Scale to D Major and check the box to Display frequency in Hz. With the app running, talk in your starting voice and see where your pitch falls, naturally. A typical male speaking voice will stay between D2 and D3 (which are marked by horizontal lines, since we set the Scale to D Major). Now try talking higher and higher in pitch, until your voice is in the female range, around D3 (150 Hz) and above. Don't go higher than D4 (300 Hz), though, or you'll sound like a cartoon character!

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You might find that you start in your modal register when you're in the male range, but flip over into falsetto at some point in order to get into the female range. Or you might find that you have to strain and shout to get that high. If that happens, just go back down to the pitch where you can still speak comfortably in your modal register and don't worry about going higher for now.

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Your homework is to set aside some time every day (say, half an hour) to warm up with the video above and then practice speaking in the female range (between D3 and D4, or 150-300 Hz) or as close as you can get without straining or going into a falsetto. You can just say random things that pop into your head, recite lines from memory, or read a book or reddit comments out loud, while keeping an eye on your pitch in Vocal Pitch Monitor.

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Something you might add, perhaps as an appendix, is what an example practice session might look like at each level. I can't speak for others, but I have issues constructing my own study plans, so having even an example of what a day at each level looks like would be super helpful.

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Btw, your guide is fantastic and even without a steady study plan I've made great progress with it. Thank you for putting this guide together!

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That's a great idea, thank you, and I am planning to add that soon as part of a little overview for each level! :)

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I’m currently 14 and I have a really small Adam’s apple coming, will it be easier to make my voice more feminine; and can this slow or stop my Adam’s apple from going further?

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if i may answer - i am a singer and a musician so i know a bit about this stuff too. practising won't make your Adam's apple stop growing - that's up to hormones - but practising and singing will help you control your voice better and it will make learning all this stuff easier

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Hi, i am cis, but this subreddit was recommended to me for whatever reason, and I’m interested. I’m AFAB but my voice is deeper than I’d like it to be. Is it possible to use this guide to change that? Also, would it be disrespectful to the trans people here that use it? Because I don’t wanna do it if it’s disrespectful.

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Hi there, you are more than welcome to use this guide to learn to make your voice more feminine, regardless of gender identity! :) You've come to the right place, welcome! ;)

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"yeah I'm trans. Female to alpha female" +Insert gigastacy

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If you want to learn to feminize your talking, listen to someone talking. If you want to learn to feminize your singing, listen to someone singing. Or both. ;)

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Fortunately for me, my voice never fully dropped as a teenager and talking to people face to face I've had no issue passing for years now.

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Unfortunately though, thanks to a combination of autistic traits and being very quiet when young I tend to speak very monotone and have virtually no range. This means I get called sir on the phone about 50% of the time, and if I try to raise the pitch my voice just cuts out and there's nothing there. Even the slightest raise in pitch makes my voice a bit croaky and I sound like i have emphysema.. which isn't great for a 28 year old who's never smoked.

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Are you looking for some guidance on how to gain more fluency with your voice and pitch? I would say that singing exercises in general are going to be the most helpful, though you'll need to do really simple, easy stuff to start with. There's a wealth of free singing tutorials, from beginner to advanced, at New York Vocal Coaching on YouTube - definitely check that out.

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As far as learning to change your pitch without getting croaky, it sounds like you may need to start really simple and practice what are known as "semi-occluded vocal tract exercises" (SOVTE). They are a little boring, but they may be a necessary first step (they're good for anyone to practice, honestly). You can search for examples on YouTube, but here is an introduction and some example exercises from u/demivierge.

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In addition to pitch, there are several registers that your voice will lock into at different points along your range, each with a different sound quality. Watch this video to hear the differences between a chest voice and a falsetto (and a mix voice, which is technically the same register as your chest voice, your modal register). Follow along with the warmups in this video, and then try switching between the registers a few times, both singing and speaking.

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Then download the Android app Vocal Pitch Monitor (or Vocal Pitch Monitor on iOS) and in the settings, change the Scale to F Major and check the box to Display frequency in Hz. With the app running, talk in your starting voice and see where your pitch falls, naturally. A typical male speaking voice will stay between F2 and F3 (which are marked by horizontal lines, since we set the Scale to F Major). Now try talking higher and higher in pitch, until your voice is in the female range, around F3 and above. Don't go higher than F4, though, or you'll sound like a cartoon character!

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like, I'll just start talking and try to slowly change something about my vocal posture to an extreme without an intentional sound to see what happens and how far I can go. the result is usually something super cartoonish, but that's fine; it's just building a sense of what happens how that piece effects my voice. It doesn't even need to be words, sometimes I'll just hold a vowel and move my mouth/throat around while listening and watching. For a while, my party trick was to make didgeridoo noises, or to talk like a rejected Rugrats character.

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Hey, firstly, thanks for this awesome guide, you're actually helping a lot of people !

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Training different vowels with the "big dog, small dog" exercise is a good way to start learning to hold the high larynx posture while speaking, but it's not something that is relevant until section 4, on Resonance. For section 2, the idea is just to start getting used to moving the larynx at all, and building up the coordination and strength to move it smoothly and easily, without tension. But feel free to play with vowels and speech if you feel inspired to do a little extra credit! ;D

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Thanks for the response, I actually just checked the section 4 right before reading your response hehe, sorry for the dumb question...

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Good question! :) Honestly, it's not a big deal if your larynx raises a bit when you raise your pitch - that's a natural reflex, and it takes a lot of work to learn to isolate the two completely, which isn't even that important for voice feminization. I wouldn't worry about that part. ;)

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Great, I actually manage to talk with high larynx and a A3-C4 pitch with a relatively soft voice, but it barely sounds androgynous, is this because I'm doing something wrong or my throat just ...isn't used to it? (started 'bout a week ago) or is it just my anatomy (I have a goiter and lost 3 molars+no 3rd molars) and larynx+pitch+OQ just isn't enough ?

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That's a great start! :) Raising your larynx and pitch and using more open quotient will get you to an androgynous place, but not a fully feminine one - as you can hear in my demo clip. Getting that to a more unambiguously feminine sound is where the oral resonance and articulation start to really make a difference.

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Just adding my voice to the chorus, I started last night on trying the vocal tract length stuff and having done some stretching of the muscle since then (and trying to sing along with the radio on my way home, once I figured out how to raise it a little and still breathe), I'm already noticing some improvement compared to the recording from last night. Mild, but it's a start!

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Thank you so much for this, I'm literally freaking out on my first training day!
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Thank you so so much for making this guide! I blasted through it over the past 10 days because I never felt overwhelmed at any point.

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Oh, that's normal! :o Now that you've tried it, just move on to trying "big dog, small dog" and the "whisper siren" exercises. Don't even worry about trying to speak through them yet, just focus on moving the larynx.

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If you're tone-deaf, you may rely more heavily on pitch apps (Vocal Pitch Monitor) for your pitch practice and it may take longer to develop the habit of staying within your desired pitch range. It's possible that getting a feel for intonation patterns may be more challenging as well, but not necessarily.

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This is great! I socially transitioned 6 months ago and have been voice training for a long time. My main issue is consistency. On the phone I always get gendered correctly when speaking to strangers but my main issues are psychological. When speaking to someone I know, or speaking to people face to face, I often automatically masculinize my voice and find tit very hard not to. I've been told it's a common issue due to multi-tasking but I think it's a self-consciousness thing. +Also, at work we have to wear earplugs and I find that trying to talk loud enough for people to hear me plus the changed sound the earplugs make cause me to drop into male voice often if only to be heard for safety reasons (lots of machinery). +Any tips on either of these issues would be absolutely amazing, in the mean time I will start to go through this guide as time permits! +Thank you again x

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There are covert voice exercises you can do that are very quiet (like whispering) or not obvious (like humming) that can be really helpful.

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Hi! This seems like a really well put together guide and im so excited to work my way through it. I do have a question though; how do I know if the larynx exercises are working/having an affect? Like swallow/hold I can feel my larynx move, but I can't say the same for big dog/small dog or whisper siren, and I'm afraid I'm doing something wrong. Thank you!

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It may take a lot of practice and experimentation to get to the point where you can use the whisper siren or big dog small dog to move your larynx, but moving it is the goal and metric for success at this stage!

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Approx how long do you think the larynx training takes. I plan to do the pitch and larynx training every day, 10 mind big dog, small dog, then 10 mind whisper siren, then 10 mins pitch. I'm unsure how this is as a session plan but I'm hoping it'll let me progress at a decent pace, safely

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It's hard to predict how long it will take to develop a skill. But practicing it more frequently throughout the day is more important than practicing it longer per session. So if you break that 10 minutes up into 2-minute sessions throughout the day, that will be more effective than a single 10-minute session.

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I want to thank you for the work you put in to help my community find comfort within themselves and become the people they feel they are meant to be. It is this type of generosity and support within my community that gives me pride and optimism for who I am and who I want to be.

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Voice feminization, essentially.

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General rules

  • For every sound task, explore further and experiment with the sound (over a long period of time), to gather the necessary familiarity. Make sure to actually speak sentences, instead of just making vowel sounds over and over.

  • Train your ear. If you're targeting a specific quality, learn what it sounds like, and look for it in others' voices.

  • Breathiness and constriction are not allowed, and you must speak at a conversational volume.

  • Record and analyze clips of your own practice, to both train your ear and check for mistakes.

  • Your sounds must all be pure and extremely comfortable, to the point where you can confidently speak in said voice for over an hour without any strain whatsoever.

  • If a sound causes pain or discomfort, stop immediately, and search for an alternative way to make the same sound without said discomfort.

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Weight

Seek Clover's video for demonstraions and exercises.

  • Make a Patrick Star (yawny, light, lazy) or Mickey mouse (high-pitched, breathy, falsetto-ey) sound

  • Make sure your voice lacks a "rumble" (This is an indication of high weight)

  • Remain extremely relaxed and pure

  • Experiment with changing volume at a constant weight (by changing pitch)

  • Explore, experiment, and acquire familiarity

Some more weight explorations can be found in the clip collection.

Size

Begin by listening to Selene's size clip.

  • Move from a large sound into a small sound (you can do it as a slide or do it in steps)

  • Explore changing weight (starting heavy or starting light)

  • Try to aim for a younger-sounding voice

  • Avoid knodel

  • Avoid any and all feelings of strain

  • Remain completely pure and non-breathy

  • Try some of the other explorations

  • Get very familiar over a long period of time

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further exploration

Start by watching the TransVoiceLessons fullness video.

  • Learn about deandrogenization

  • Create a full-masc sound (heavy, large)

  • Create an overfull sound (heavy, small)

  • Create a full-fem sound (light, small)

  • Create an underfull sound (light, large)

  • Acquire extreme familiarity with those four main fullness types

  • "Slide" between different zones of fullness

Adduction work (expansion of one's pitch range) can be worked on using the clips below.

Personality-expressing features

Information about this topic is a little scattered - you'll find a lot of it on the Speech section of my reddit post.This section focuses on ear training.

  • Understand the theory behind why children of different sexes do not usually sound the same, despite their shared lack of sexual development

  • Listen carefully for the differences in pronunciation between men and women

  • Notice vowel shifts, vowel replacement, and vowel stress

  • Analyze voices and determine whether their manners of speech are more typically masculine or typically feminine

  • Notice how pronunciation differs across regions of the world

This section focuses on experimentation and mimicry.

  • Explore said qualities in your own voice

  • Imitate other voices, while remaining mindful of the aforementioned concepts

  • Compare your recordings to the recordings of the desired voice, and analyze thoroughly

At this stage, you may stylize your voice by changing the accent, getting a little larger, a little heavier, etc. It's strongly recommended to be very familiar with the hyperfem space before doing this, though.

Conclusion

Absolutely none of this would have been possible without the tremendous hard work of Clover Grigsby, Zheanna Erose, and Selene Da Silva. Huge thanks, from me and many others.If you ever feel like you need more information, check out my collection of Selene's clips, which also includes advice on normalization, a topic I did not cover in this guide. The Online Vocal Coach server is also great for asking questions and attending free lessons.And that's about it for this guide, good luck.

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