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# What cis girls get done VS what trans girls get done

r/4tran4 • by u/TheForceOfEvil • 42 points

Making your shoulder fat slouchy and destroying your collarbones for WHAT?!

Is it in proportion with your waist, hips and ribcage now?! Cuz if you already have a wide ribcage this will only make it look worse especially if you have a masc ribcage and fem shoulders it will throw off the balance.

I think you can tell when a girl(cis or trans) Centers men and sees things from the male gaze instead of female gaze depending on the surgeries she gets

Ex. Boob job + BBL VS Rhinoplasty + Brow lift

## Comments

u/jellybeanzz11 • 15 points

the difference is ropefuel...

u/TheForceOfEvil • 18 points

It literally looks like she gained 50 pounds it doesn’t even look smaller and it’s so expensive too. Any girl would kill to have these collarbones wtfff

u/WanderingWonders77 • 13 points

I'm not really impressed with clavicle reduction tbh. the slouch doesn't seem worth it (it looks even worse from the side tbh)

t. bideltoidhon

u/F2Misanthrope • 7 points

would it be possible to get clavical shortening and then the shoulder unslopening

u/You-Looked • 8 points

This shit is hopeless

u/Impressive_Fish3957 • 3 points

trap botox only lasts a few months while surgery is permanent so this isn't a fair comparison. i do agree with you that the first photo looks better though

u/zunCannibal • 4 points

collarbones on 2nd pic looked like they were about to escape

u/blown-transmission • 4 points

Ugly passoid or slightly clocky elf woman

Choice is yours

u/New-Tie-2255 • 1 points

ugly passoid

u/notdyingb4ffs • 4 points

clavicle reduction seems like a surgery for stupid or rich ppl atp. like you said it’s cope because what actually matters is how your WHR and ribcage flow into your shoulders. your body needs to look balanced and it’ll look disproportionate like a girl that never works out getting a BBL.

trans women are better off getting a BA to offset their larger ribcages while getting better posture. i see so many tgirls complaining about their upper bodies while having awful posture, slouching makes you look a lot wider and looks worse!

u/Delicious-Raise-17 • 3 points

Trans women are nothing like cis women, unfortunatly

u/wistfulfaerie • 2 points

It’s over 😞

u/summer-years • 3 points

Genuinely ty for reminding me that this cope I've been dreaming about is regarded and that I need to corsetmaxx or smthn

u/Jamtlanta • 1 points

If more horizontal shoulders still look feminine, what makes them look masculine? Is it just the breadth? I'm a pooner with sloped shoulders and can't tell if they look better or worse when I try to shrug them up because doing that decreases the shoulder breadth and neck length.

u/Intelligent-Tea-2058 • 1 points

> Is it in proportion with your waist, hips and ribcage now?! Cuz if you already have a wide ribcage this will only make it look worse especially if you have a masc ribcage and fem shoulders it will throw off the balance.

I plan to go for complete center surgery for this reason (insurance pending, inb4 denial fight)

I will lyk if it works for the dysphoria and if I'm more uggo after or not

u/atillathetwink • 2 points

I don't think I've heard of complete center surgery before, is it something that actually reduces your whole ribcage? I really need something like that but ive only seen it referenced once there's not a lot of information I can find about whether its even possible

u/Intelligent-Tea-2058 • 4 points

It's a joke, given how people talk about top and bottom surgery... (I cringe at these new terms thh) why not "center surgery"?? 🥺 my thorax needs fixing 🥺

What I am seeking though is:

- Scapula Reduction
- Clavicle Shortening
- Thoracic Feminization/Reduction / Full Ribcage Resection (no clear name yet for it, getting tried on a cadaver soon last I checked) - TL;DR: remove strip of cartilage either side of sternum and secure with absorbable plates and screws
- Lower rib resection w/ costal flare reduction
- Floating rib fracture and reset or removal
- Pelvic plasty, possibly (Ti illiac augmentation + silicone hip implants)
- Maybe a modified form of triple pelvic osteotomy and other pelvic reconstruction, if it can be developed for us

Surgery worked everywere else HRT couldn't so far, why not try it here? If I pull this off maybe I can be 99% cured, and these techniques can be spread if developed. I am nuts enough to go first if I can fund it, and have been doing insanely dangerous work with that goal, sustaining multiple injuries along the way. I am dysphoric AF and will do almost anything to get free. People say I'm just "wormed" badly... they have no fucking idea. I was "wormed" enough to troon out as a kid in the 00s... of course I'm going to fight till no worm remains. Once made whole through the power of bright lights, cold steel, and another day or two of propofol pseudo brain death, my powers will no longer be dissapated by physical dysphoria. I hope I can help lots of tranners get better thereafter. If any of my body can be recovered after whatever brings about my untimely demise someday, I hope I can be studied in a pro-trans lab to enhance future trannies.

u/atillathetwink • 2 points

Yeah that "thoracic feminization" is what I'm interested in. I've never heard anything about it except for one other person on here mentioning it. Do you have any other sources of information about it you could share with me? The fact that it needs to be tested on a cadaver implies its still very theoretical which sucks, I was under the impression that it was close enough to surgeries that are already performed on cis people that it was decently well understood already. Also, is there reason to believe it would even do much? It seems like there can't possibly be enough cartilage to remove to actually make a big enough difference in size. I guess it's probably pretty unrealistic for me to expect it to fix me but I'm still really curious if you have any more info. And huge respect for your surgerymaxxing plan btw I wish you the best of luck.

u/Intelligent-Tea-2058 • 1 points

Basically a U.S. surgeon with some others, a Chinese thoracic surgeon, and maybe one other team are each working towards it in some way. I am concerned some of the EOs and intimidation will limit how much one once-interested medical system will provide.

> It seems like there can't possibly be enough cartilage to remove to actually make a big enough difference in size.

Apparently 1 inch of circumference per side seems possible, perhaps more especially paired with other things.

I'll DM you.

u/atillathetwink • 1 points

so wait, are you for or against clavicle shortening? you imply you don't think it looks good but also imply its good because it doesn't center the male gaze?

u/Important_Ad_7416 • 1 points

what if I have a small ribcage?

Ive seen a girl who went from inverted triangle to hourglass with clavique alone

u/TheForceOfEvil • 1 points

What are your measurements? Regardless of your size I hope your surgeon does a good job so you don’t end up with slouchy undefined shoulders and no collarbones, because that’s worse than having 2 extra inches imo.

u/Important_Ad_7416 • 1 points

42.5cm bideltoid, 74cm underbust, 66-69 waist, 90 hips

tbhon i couldnt care less about how undefined my shoulders are so long as they're small

u/TheForceOfEvil • 2 points

I Actually have similar measurement! 70cm with 40cm. Honestly it depends on your height and weight? I think gaining a bit of weight for me to round up hips could be enough plus I am 174cm so I think it can be proportional.

ALSO remember wide shoulders are needed to have an hourglass body shape unless you’re going for a pear shaped body, regardless of your goals if you can afford it(aka Starbucks or amazon insurance) and truly want it go get it but make sure they do a good job cuz some of the results I’ve been seeing have been looking awful.

I just don’t want girls to be basically hunting a stereotypical look of femininity. Just because society tells you you need to be small and submissive to be a worthy woman that doesn’t mean you have to actually do it ❤️❤️❤️

u/Important_Ad_7416 • 1 points

mogged 😓

im too broke for it and living in europe, im just gonna put on weight snd hope for the best

u/46XX_ • 1 points

Broad shoulders are literally pretty? bulky ones just aren't bc they add alot of visual mass😭

u/Important_Ad_7416 • 3 points

that's gonna be my cope

haha so pretty, so stunning, i love being build like a coathanger just like a man i mean model, i love looking like that and dont seethe when i see girls with tiny shoulders that match their hips

u/46XX_ • 0 points

Having broad but "lean" shoulders isn't being build like a man, that what most models have😭

Them being bulky n broad is manly.

u/Important_Ad_7416 • 1 points

Ok but I'm 163cm I'm never pulling off the model look and also dont like it 😓

u/whattheerm • 1 points

In the 80s sure